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六年前我们与图书编辑罗丹妮做过一期关于做书与读书的节目，时光荏苒，在《格》和「随机图书馆」系列问世之后，当我们仨获得新书作者的身份，我们对于今天的出版与书也产生了很多新的疑问：书还重要吗？买书重要吗？如今的读者是谁，他们又在哪里？我们与他们要如何在屏幕和书之间分配时间呢？
本期随机波动，我们邀请了丹妮姐和漫画编辑、梦药水创始人猫弟做客节目。五个近期都编了、做了、出了新书的人，尝试共同面对这个读者也是用户、书籍亦是产品的新时代。
乍看起来，丹妮和猫弟有着传统内容编辑与新型产品经理的类型差别，其实二人都置身于这条名为出版的河流之中，感受着水温与方向的复杂变化。她们眼前不只是书，更多还是人——如果编辑没有对现代人的变化的理解和接受，书又要做给谁读呢？阅读行为又如何可能呢？如果不基于与作者、与出版其他环节参与者的信任和协作，过程与结果的逻辑、耕耘和收获的关联又要如何建立起来？
做书，是一份她们热爱的工作，是在一个努力工作可能被嘲弄奚落的时代里的坚持，也是一条“在被世界吞噬的恐惧中保全自己”的路径。
关于阅读的未来，我们没有答案。唯一确定的是，人不能没有书。
【本期主播】
傅适野，媒体人，新浪微博@ssshiye 张之琪，媒体人，新浪微博@CyberZhiqi 冷建国，媒体人
【本期嘉宾】
罗丹妮，图书编辑，《三联生活周刊》出版总监
猫弟，梦药水DrinkDream创始人，漫画编辑。
[06:20]两位编辑如何看待读者和市场的关系 [08:40]两位编辑工作性质的相同与不同 [12:30]身为编辑，如何平衡个人关切和公共兴趣 [18:50]每一个选题的实现都是多种因素促成的 [22:50]文化消费与“时代精神” [28:10]图书编辑的工作是搭建桥梁、是拆除门槛 [33:20]如何看待图书的商品/产品属性 [39:10]平台和图书的关系 [42:30]什么样的编辑-作者关系是值得的？ [55:20]做书出版的过程重要，结果也很重要 [58:10]自我在关系中存在，保全自己意味着在互动中存在 [1:03:10]在流行“躺平”的年代，努力工作的意义是什么 [1:10:10]编辑是创作者吗？
【本期节目提到的播客】
螺丝在拧紧，Vol 102 对话罗丹妮：图书市场断崖式下滑，真实的体感如何？ https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6808f0ff7a449ae858480ea0
有关紧要SomethingMatters，Vol 042 从第一文学播客，到百万畅销书：一个漫画品牌的诞生——talk with猫弟 https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/681c0df4db57cd35f718b696
【本期节目使用的音乐】
片头：“馬締光也のテーマ” ，by 渡边崇，from编舟记
片尾：“四校の校正”， by 渡边崇，from编舟记【本期节目中提到的书籍】
《带壳的牡蛎是大人的心脏》 《想在天气好时去海边》 《我和爸爸：一个真实故事》 《今天我想要什么：海豹的女性漫画》 《把自己作为方法：与项飙谈话》 《人性的深渊：吴谢宇案》 《格》 《性别：女》 《赞美不沉默》
【关于随机波动】
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[05:38] Changing Book Sales Expectations
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- The book market has become tougher, leading to more realistic expectations on sales.
- Selling 20,000 copies now is considered a good achievement compared to previous million-sales successes.
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傅适野我们也遇到了一些困惑, 比如说现在大家还看不看书, 以及对于大家来说, 书这件事情还有人在意吗 就是当我们要试图跟比如说我们的朋友或者是听众或者是谁开展这个对话的时候 我们都不由得要先问一下自己这两个问题 对所以这个是我们今年自己面对的一个情况 然后另外一个契机就是说 我最近听了丹妮姐和猫弟 分别上了两档播客 然后丹妮姐上了单独的播客 螺丝在宁井 然后猫弟是上了明示的播客 有观景要分别聊出版和做书这件事情 然后我都觉得非常好听这两期节目 也推荐大家去听 然后我听完很多点我都觉得非常有启发然后想要跟你们一起在随机播动再聊一聊然后因为丹妮姐和猫弟其实是虽然是一个行业但是身份和经历都很不一样彼此之间也会有一些碰撞所以今天特别开心请到两位跟我们一起聊天
罗丹妮首先要不要跟我们听众简单介绍一下你们的近况 你们现在在一个什么样的工作状态当中 然后以及你们最近做了什么书 我就其实还是老样子 仍然还是在编书吧 一方面是三联生活周刊这边还有一些选题在推进 最近的话没有什么新书上市 But maybe the first book with the生活 show. It was a two-year book. The book was called The WSER. It was about this kind of situation. It was not a change.
傅适野I think it was last year from the three-year family to the three-year family. But not in the past. Oh, it was a good time. It was a good time. But not in the past. It was still in writing and writing.
罗丹妮Yes, but I would like to participate in the other few things. But my main work is to write writing and writing. Maudie?
猫弟I was in the first year of my work at the first time, which was about why I was辞職 and what I was doing. And in the third month, I released a new book called The New York Times, called The New York Times. And I also did the same book as the New York Times. I’m And then 4th of July, I wrote Nini’s new book, I was going to go to the sea and also in the 4th of July. So I’ve been doing Nini’s new book, so I’ve been doing Nini’s new book, and I’ve been doing Nini’s new book, so new book, so I’ve the new didn’t change much. It gave us a big challenge. It gave us a big challenge. We were just on the show every day, a book. We were always trying to use the same as a book. And then we were trying to send it to the next one. And then we it to the Nini的号都在下面给大家回复所以最近就是很累但是也算是有一个好消息就是今天录节目之前这本书三刷了现在有18万的印量好厉害对先跟大家补充一个背景如果不熟悉猫弟的朋友可能不知道就是猫弟做的第一本书就是一个大爆款大畅销书是Nini的第一本书 for for for the word
傅适野For the the word for the 应该有很多我们听众 都买过读过这本书 对 可能是新手运气 对我们其实 今天想跟大家聊的 不仅仅是两位的工作境况 其实还有最近可能一两年图书行业普遍的一个状况吧 就是说可能最近两年大家都觉得市场的环境变得越来越差了 那在这样的情况下你们在做新书的时候 你们的心态或者是预期会有什么不一样吗
猫弟因为我其实是刚刚开始做书他都没有说销量特别好的 就是能加印的话已经是一个非常大的那种肯定了
[04:50] Nini’s New Book
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- Maodi’s first book, Nini’s New Book, was a bestseller. After releasing the book, Maodi and the team were doing shows every day and responding to messages from fans.
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罗丹妮Maudie?
猫弟I was in the first year of my work at the first time, which was about why I was辞職 and what I was doing. And in the third month, I released a new book called The New York Times, called The New York Times. And I also did the same book as the New York Times. I’m And then 4th of July, I wrote Nini’s new book, I was going to go to the sea and also in the 4th of July. So I’ve been doing Nini’s new book, so I’ve been doing Nini’s new book, and I’ve been doing Nini’s new book, so new book, so I’ve the new didn’t change much. It gave us a big challenge. It gave us a big challenge. We were just on the show every day, a book. We were always trying to use the same as a book. And then we were trying to send it to the next one. And then we it to the Nini的号都在下面给大家回复所以最近就是很累但是也算是有一个好消息就是今天录节目之前这本书三刷了现在有18万的印量好厉害对先跟大家补充一个背景如果不熟悉猫弟的朋友可能不知道就是猫弟做的第一本书就是一个大爆款大畅销书是Nini的第一本书 for for for the word
傅适野For the the word for the
[26:10] Bridging Barriers to Reading
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- The market demands clear, accessible communication to reach fragmented audiences.
- Editors must bridge barriers to reading, making books inviting amid overwhelming information.
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罗丹妮I still want to find those people. This is not a big change. So in a具体 of writing, for example, the book is also a set of 或者是文案也好 或者是作为编辑 去跟读者沟通的那个方式 我一直没有太大变化 包括语言上的使用 但是到底怎么样去寻所到这些人 以及我真的能说服他们 这是那本他们在寻找的书这件事情其实就是市场我理解 So I feel like the Market is the market. It’s like a business and a shopping business. And I can find these people. And they’re in the same way. So if a book’s book doesn’t understand. I feel like it’s a bit normal. 因为分众太厉害了 然后大家被各种各样的信息淹没 我自己也是这样 所以有时候我就在想如何让我的声音和信息很清楚 很准确 又在恰当的时候让对方获取到 这件事情变得是一个 非常复杂的事。 So I understand that it is this way.
傅适野I think that’s a point I’m feeling very close to the audience. First you will call the reader as a user. You will say my user is what is the user. Then you will call the book or read the book. This is a way of being a cultural and cultural and cultural and cultural and cultural and cultural. Then you will say, if you look at a show, you will say, you will say, you offer this product, and you have your own business. And your target user is the other cultural and cultural and cultural and cultural. Yeah. I think it’s a We’re,我们究竟在关心什么话题?
猫弟我觉得这个是很有意思的一个点,就是可不可以展开讲一讲, 你认为我们今天如果存在一个所谓的时代精神,时代情绪或者时代什么 我觉得我可能说不了就是时代精神是什么东西, 我可以再说一说就是我会有这个观点的想法, I think. I’m not a teacher. I’m not a teacher. I’m not a teacher. I like to watch the脱口秀. I watch the展覽. I watch other kinds of cultural media. So I think. From the time. I’m going to put my time. I’m going to give these different areas. 那我感觉其他的读者大量的读者其实也是一样的在他们不读书的时候他们可能在听音乐听播客看电影 所以我就会觉得那图书的发展跟其他的行业是不是保持一致的 因为其实图书可能它更传统,有更多的环节 所以有的时候我们在做书的时候就会按照过去大家是这么做的 然后就继续这样做 我是有这样的想法 然后很巧的是今天就是我在听《罗斯在宁井》嘛 听完以后我就去看了一下评论 我发现有一个读者说了一段温特森的一段话 is I don’t want to see the book and the book and the book, and the book and the book and the book, I’m 都想着我们的产品最后看起来是什么样并不重要 反正一定有读者的 那就有一点危险了 这是一种顾不自封的态度 不 我们没有必要到外面去创造新的读者群 那些CD或影碟或电影院的消费者通常不读书 这种态度就像是说 He said 不热爱书籍的人永远都不会热爱 所以我们就不需要在意他们了 可是我非常在意 我认为你需要搭建桥梁 去帮助人们简简单单地打开一本书 开始阅读 因为一旦他们这么做了你就成功了一 因为一旦他们这么做了你就成功了一半 我觉得你可以去帮助人们 也许有的人只是有一点害怕书 哪怕在多媒体时代 语言文字也有自己的力量 不习惯于文字的人可能会有一点被他震慑到 尤其是如果他们没有接受特定的教育 他们成长过程中并没有书籍的陪伴 所以他们会觉得书籍不是为他们而存在的 你需要帮助他们意识到 。 I think I think I can to express my feelings. Like I was going to do that in the film. I was going to going to do that in the film. I was going to do that in the film. I
[37:00] Enhance Book as Product
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- Prioritize book design aspects like size and readability to enhance reader comfort.
- Treat books as products balancing both appealing packaging and meaningful content.
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猫弟A change. 可能也会越来越重视它的舒适度 包括开本到底称不称手 翻开的时候能不能相对平摊 这些我觉得都是提升整体的阅读体验的 所以这些都是属于它的商品属性 包括它应该怎么定价 这个定价能不能以一个最划算的方式 而且能够让最多的人买到 其实都是它的商品属性 就是出版物从最开始它就是有这个强烈的商品属性 只是说可能现在我们更会重视这个部分 然后我觉得这个也其实是在直面读者的需求 我会觉得这几年 肯定我们的审美能力是大大的提升了 所以对于出版物才会有这种封面要好看 装正要舒适的这种需求 我觉得在这个层面上本身是没有什么问题的 但是可能刚刚透露出的另外一个问题 就是出版物作为一个内容产品 它的产品很突出 可能很突出 but the content is more difficult. So how to introduce a book, it would become difficult. I feel like this is the question. I think that’s that’s the one thing I think that’s the one thing I think think think think that’s the one thing I think think that’s that’s think that’s the one thing I think that’s that’s
罗丹妮That’s the one thing I think that’s the one thing I think product. I was thinking about the product. I was thinking about the product. I was thinking about the product. It’s a product. It’s a product. It’s a product. Why do I say that? Actually, it’s been in the last few years we discussed this issue. But if you go to a large book store, like the U.S. Or the four or five different cities, you know we have a lot of books, or in five years there are very many books, but it’s not prepared to sell. 直到今天有大量的书他是拒绝进入市场的他是不进入这个市场进行竞争的所以我自己觉得这几年我们感受到最大的困难事实上应该是一个书他作为一种商品他的利润完全不能够保障这个行业的良性发展的问题而这个问题事实上不是我们今天在这里能够简单讲清楚的 It’s not prepared It is a product that is a A product that is product In this context, I think we should be more careful about this topic. It’s not a change. It’s always a product for a product. The main issue is that when it becomes a product, it should be worth its value. This is what we mentioned earlier. A It It It It should be be a product. It,它应该装真的不让读者感到不适
[42:35] Publishing’s Complex Reality
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- Publishing is a complex, delicate operation involving many stakeholders.
- Despite small sales volumes, the process links numerous people and labor, often under difficult economic conditions.
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罗丹妮So many steps, so many steps, so many small pieces, really, can be able to lead to which one of the pieces? If you want to give the readers a better experience, this is the result. This is the result, just the result. You know, I just have a lot of money. Just like this one thing, just how much money is. And this is the end of the year, I don’t say anything. 然后到今天我们其实在讲说 书价如何的时候 我真的是挺生气的 就是平台 我们要求着平台多要我们的书 然后平台在压低我们的价格 还在收取各种各样的佣金 可是他们连基本的服务都提供不好 就更别说 我最近遇到的情况就是平台可能在第一轮增定的时候数量不不不太充分 然后这个周期和反馈以及再入库和上架的时间 这中间造成的损失 客宿 其实这到底谁来负责 你就发现最后一件事情落实到一个 。 So I think the book is a very strange thing. It’s a small amount of a purchase. And the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the Year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of The year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time
傅适野Of the year,还是物流还是渠道方所以我觉得出版就是一个非常荒谬的事情就是它是这么小的一个买卖可是它牵扯了如此多复杂的人和劳动然后它还天天被说就是就是西洋产业然后又贵然后又打折然后大家还哀鸿遍野对渠道的这个部分就非常的不在这个时代 We now have to talk about the book about the Book. I heard that Maudie in the book about the book about the book. He
[44:27] Sincere Collaboration Matters Most
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- 罗丹妮 values sincere, respectful collaboration where process matters more than results.
- She prefers partners who consider others involved rather than focusing solely on outcomes.
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罗丹妮The book is a very strange thing. It’s a small amount of a purchase. And the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the Year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of The year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time of the year, the time
傅适野Of the year,还是物流还是渠道方所以我觉得出版就是一个非常荒谬的事情就是它是这么小的一个买卖可是它牵扯了如此多复杂的人和劳动然后它还天天被说就是就是西洋产业然后又贵然后又打折然后大家还哀鸿遍野对渠道的这个部分就非常的不在这个时代 We now have to talk about the book about the Book. I heard that Maudie in the book about the book about the book. He said that you like to do the book of the book. And you give the reason why you like and use to do the book with people. This is a pretty good point. I think that we we had a lot of time in the book. The book. We had a lot of We had a the book. Book. We had a lot of time in the book. We had a lot of time in the book. We had a lot of time in the book. We had I 然后 包括你们之间那种深度的信任和相互扶持的这样的一种关系 然后丹妮姐在罗斯里面其实也讲到你说 现在你做书的标准是人很重要 书没那么重要 所以也想问你们说 对于你们来说什么样的合作关系 对你们来说是好的 一种值得的 值得付出的一种合作关系吧 这个其实我觉得我想了一下 I I think of things, but it’s
罗丹妮The knowledge level, the experience level, the experience level, and the experience level. Actually, today I was thinking about this thing, I hope this person can be more careful. 比如说总的来说他应该是一个彼此尊重的一个真诚和真实的关系 那么比起结果 我们之间更看重过程
[50:49] Trust Builds Creative Growth
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- 猫弟 describes immediate mutual trust with author Nini from the start of collaboration.
- They share a common goal and grow together, though the process can be challenging yet rewarding.
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猫弟And she said, easy to do this.,我想说我觉得自己很擅长做原素养。�但是另外一方面 可能是因为我真的很幸运 所以我会说出 我是天然就应该做原创编辑的人 因为我遇到的第一个作者 就是Nini 我们彼此真的就是 没有经过什么事情 才形成这种相互信任 几乎就是一开始接触他就在信任我 He said he said he Said he was in another book. He said he said he said he was in a book. He said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said He said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he he he said he he said he said he said I think I that’s a lot of the company. I think that’s a lot of it. I think that’s a lot of it. I think that’s a lot of it. I think think that’s a lot of So it’s like a reason. Just at the beginning, we were two kind of a goal. It’s a better one than you can trust. And so good. The good relationship is a goal. At least短期的 goal is a good one. And I’m very lucky. I think that this process is a good one. We can be able to grow together., 所以其实就是真正的去面对一个人 可能最后都要达成我们共同的目标 但是这个达成目标的方式每一次可能都是不一样的 这件事情很有挑战 但是有的时候也很让人痛苦, 但同时我觉得也很有乐趣。 我在听Maudie上那个有关紧要的时候, 你就说你现在不仅仅做书,
[49:42] Trust with the First Author
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- Maodidi shares how she naturally became an original editor because her first author, Nini, trusted her immediately.
- Their mutual trust formed without any specific events, almost from the very beginning of their contact.
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猫弟And she said, easy to do this.,我想说我觉得自己很擅长做原素养。�但是另外一方面 可能是因为我真的很幸运 所以我会说出 我是天然就应该做原创编辑的人 因为我遇到的第一个作者 就是Nini 我们彼此真的就是 没有经过什么事情 才形成这种相互信任 几乎就是一开始接触他就在信任我 He said he said he Said he was in another book. He said he said he said he was in a book. He said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said He said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he he he said he he said he said he said I think I that’s a lot of the company. I think that’s a lot of it. I think that’s a lot of it. I think that’s a lot of it. I think think that’s a lot of So it’s like a reason. Just at the beginning, we were two kind of a goal. It’s a better one than you can trust. And so good. The good relationship is a goal. At least短期的
[59:19] Self-Preservation Through Engagement
🎧 Play snip - 2min️ (57:23 - 59:19) Self-Preservation Through Engagement
- Preserving oneself amid world challenges means maintaining engagement and contribution despite fears.
- Self-awareness and connection in relationships enable this protective but active existence.
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傅适野And I think that in a few years with a lot of friends talking about the answer, the answer is to be done by our own. Whether it’s working or exercise or food, it’s all for a保存 or保存. And then Danny’s answer is, ?就是我们应该这样去想吗 ?就是最终所有的问题都回到了我们个体身上,我们能否更长久更健康 think that’s a very difficult question.
罗丹妮I think that’s the thing. I think that this is the existence of this. When we say that we’re talking about this, we’re talking about this. We’re talking about this. We’re talking about this. We’re talking about this. 只有在一个关系或者说我说到保全自己是因为我认为我不是要消灭这个世界因为世界不是我能够消灭的但是保全自己的意味还意义还在于我还是要对这个世界做点什么哪怕是非常少的一部分事情这个自我永远不是一个静态和 to protect myself. I don’t want to protect myself. I don’t want to protect myself. I don’t want to protect myself. I don’t want to protect myself. I it’s a kind of a turnaround, you need to be able to protect yourself. You need to protect yourself. It’s not to let yourself be able to protect yourself. It’s you continue to make people with people. In this relationship, this is actually a self-awareness. So I still have this kind of love. I still have this kind of love. It’s because I think have I still have a choice. I think it’s a good choice. I think it’s a good choice. I think good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good choice. It’s a good I need to be
[01:02:49] Effort Meets Support and Motivation
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- True effort in work often meets support, proving that hard work is not wasted.
- Witnessing dedicated people motivates continuing meaningful labor even without guaranteed outcomes.
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罗丹妮So this is a good luck. It’s luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. It’s a good luck. So this is a very good thing. It also allows me to say that we don’t want to say that we don’t want to do so much.
猫弟牵绊自己的东西,你还是努力的按照自己的心意去做 其实也是一种幸运 就包括我们最近也因为出 I I think I think that’s,因为在一个普遍不幸的年代 I also asked for a question, for example, Muley’s why he’s selling 100 million books, almost Any other topic of her time, they were asked for a question. And it was also very hard to answer. I I think it’s it’s not just a lot. I think it’s not just a lot. I think I think it’s not not
[01:08:19] Trust and Process Sustain Projects
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- Success depends on trusting collaborators and respecting the process, not just outcomes.
- Complex efforts and varied contributions sustain cultural projects despite persistent challenges.
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罗丹妮Many things can be able to help me. It’s easy to make us feel this whole thing. I talked about the business of this business. I think that I have a lot business. I think that I have a lot of things that business. I think that I have a lot of things that I have experienced in the business. I think that I have a lot of things that I have experienced in the business. I have a lot of things that a lot of things that business. I have a lot of things business. I have a lot of of 。 然后坚持很久还是会有一些基本的好结果 那你们做播客也一样嘛就是如果你们忠实于你们做的事情然后真诚的对待听众认真的对待每一个过来的嘉宾和选题他结果就不会太差我觉得是这些东西能支撑自己 所以 这个信念的 不崩塌 可能就是最大的幸运 就让我们还可以期待有好事发生 然后你觉得 你身边努力的人会有好结果 所以我觉得 每当我看到一本书 畅销的时候 这个畅销完全不是指一定是几何意义 It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s not good. It’s things. It’s not just a thing.
[01:19:00] Culture Focuses on Social Relevance
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- Cultural media increasingly focus on timely, socially relevant topics for greater engagement.
- This shift balances power somewhat and supports more non-fiction from new voices.
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冷建国我们做书的思路好像就变了 就变成与社会关联越紧密的书我做的越多 越能反映社会问题的书我做的越多 这样一方面有阅读量 然后另一方面好像也在紧跟这个社会的步伐 就文化媒体它并不是一个机械的一成不变的东西 它也是一个关注新的东西的一个版面吧 我觉得这其实是我过去编辑工作的一个问题 可能也是现在新媒体环境下很多文化媒体都有的这样一个趋势 它会使得那个权力的天平可能更平衡,比如我们会关注更多新作者的非虚构 I think this is the media as a橋梁. It’s not a橋, it’s not a橋. It’s also a橋 that has been a problem. I think that my work is the way to create a project. I think that my work is the way to create a project. I was talking about the work that I’ve done before. I think that’s the way is for the this. The world to be able to do this. I think it’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. I think it’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s not a big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. It’s a big deal. But this big deal.
傅适野It 可能仅仅是为了编辑自娱自乐但它是任一种不仅为世界减伤也是维护了我内心秩序的一种行为我刚才也在想说其实我觉得这么多年我跟建国我内心对它产生了一种强烈的路径依赖就是比如说我也会有一些工作合作的是其他的编辑我总会想说如果这搞定了 I think it’s a 给他看一下就好但是有些时候我可能给他看了有些时候我也觉得给他看不合适或者说这工作量太大了但是我内心永远会有这个想法就是说这稿子能不能先给他看一下 对 我就是你俩的本命编辑 对然后我记得有一天是 strong thing to the book. I remember there was a book. I